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 Confused by phone charges or don’t know how much a phone call really costs? Perhaps that's their intention...

By Tony Monk. The information is based on research Tony did as a volunteer for KentLINk after it was discovered that several local GP practices were found to be using 0844 numbers, possibly on a revenue sharing basis.  Tony was also particularly incensed when he noticed that the expensive 0870 series number was rather cynically used by the Government as an emergency number for the public to ask for names of victims of the 7 July 2005 London bombings. 

WHAT THE AVERAGE PERSON THINKS
Many callers think that that 0843/4/5 calls are charged at a local rate or similarly cheaper cost.

THE TRUTH
0845 and 0870 numbers typically cost between 1p and 10.5p/min with or without set up fees and again are normally far more expensive from a mobile phone, typically 12 to 41p per min.

0871/2/3 numbers typically cost more than 0845 and 0870 numbers.

Charges for 0843/4 numbers from a landline vary greatly, typically between 1p and 13p/min plus a call set up fee. For example, Talktalk charge a set up fee of 13.87p per call and then 5p/min. One company was unable to quote a charge as it depends on the recipient’s telephone service provider.  Charges to these numbers will normally be far higher from a mobile phone.


118 numbers can be a very expensive and can cost up to £2.50 for a search plus up to £3.00 per min.

07 numbers are for mobile phones and will vary greatly between providers and depend on whether they are made from another mobile or a landline phone.

DO NOT phone 09 numbers unless you are very rich or a financial masochist as they can cost up to £2.60/min from a landline or mobile!

0500 numbers are free from a landline but are charged for from a mobile phone.  056 numbers are used for VOIP calls via the internet.

0800 and 0808 calls are normally free from a landline but typically cost 21p from a mobile phone.

116 is a range of easy-to-remember phone numbers for use throughout Europe to assist children and adults in need.

01, 02 and 03 numbers are normally charged at standard geographical number rates dependent on your provider, typically between 2p and 10p per minute and will normally be more expensive from a mobile typically 10p to 40p/min.

On the plus side many companies include all 01, 02, 03, 0845 and 0870 numbers in their inclusive bundles BUT NOT the other 08 series numbers.

WHO IS USING THESE NUMBERS?
There is an increasing use of higher rate charge 084 and 087 series numbers by commercial organisations.  Some corporate and government help lines have started using 03 numbers but many are still using the 084 and 087 series of numbers.  Examples include:-


THE HIGH CHARGES ARE A WAY OF MAKING MONEY FROM YOUR CALL
An example of this is revenue sharing.  In other words the money paid for some 08 series calls is split between the service provider and the recipient and could lead to deliberate delays while the caller pays to listen to music.  Start worrying when you hear “In order to improve our service…….” which is then followed by music!

THE RULES NEED TO BE CHANGED
While most mobile users are aware of the costs of their phone and calls, many mobile and landline users are not aware of just how expensive 084 and 087 series numbers can be.  Many companies help to spread the myth that these calls cost no more than a local call – a fraudulent lie!

Rather than reducing costs, competition has led to total confusion and some very high prices.  In future let’s greatly simplify these numbers with standard maximum charges. Callers should be clearly advised of the cost per minute before the call charges start, and the time taken for the advice to be heard should be free.  No more set up fees or other sneaky charges and no more revenue sharing schemes.  

OFCOM has some proposals for changes, published in December 2010 – see http://consumers.ofcom.org.uk/2010/12/tackling-consumer-confusion-over-call-charges/.  OFCOM seems, however, to have been dragging its feet for a long time while the public remains unprotected from these rip-offs  

LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS ARE WORST AFFECTED
The cost of calling these numbers is generally significantly more from mobiles. The impact of the higher cost on mobiles is particularly pronounced for people on lower incomes who are more likely to live in mobile-only households, and use their mobile or call box to call essential services on these numbers such as some benefit offices, councils, utility services and doctor surgeries, etc.


WHAT CAN YOU DO?
Make sure you complain to Ofcom if you have a problem with charging and also chase them on what they are doing about urgently needed reforms.  Contact them on
0300 123 3000 or 020 7981 3000 or at http//www.ofcom.org.uk

If your complaint concerns premium (09) numbers contact 0800 500212 or

Also have a look at Ofcoms very helpful Number Crunching website on http://consumers.ofcom.org.uk/files/2010/01/numbering.pdf

REMEMBER
If you can afford to, consider buying a package from your phone company and check they include 01, 02, 03, 0845 and 0870 numbers, but calls outside these numbers can be eye-wateringly expensive especially if made from a mobile.  Try to find a cheaper alternative number first.

Use the SAY NO TO 0870 website for alternative numbers for many business and government lines. This site lists alternative geographic numbers that are much cheaper. The information is crowdsourced, so if you know of any that are not on the site please add them to it.

If you want to find a number from a landline phone try 0800 118 3733 – it is directory enquiries for free!!

Confusing isn’t it.  Take care or you could be making someone very rich at your own expense! Who said privatisation and consequent competition would lead to cheaper calls?

8 comments:

  1. Deregulation of the comms industry has brought about lowering of charges, Calls to Europe used to be an eye-watering £1/minute when BT had the monopoly it can as low as 2p/minute using 18866 with a 5p set up charge. If you use skype (you have to have a computer and the internet available it is free computer - computer or is a local call to any landline in the world) Deregulation of many services has brought benefits even to the much-maligned energy sector. You can't have failed to notice that the UK is no longer the only industrialised country on the planet. We have been joined by China, India to name a few who are also very hungry for energy resources hence why our energy prices have risen so sharplyand ....they work jolly hard for much lower wages than those of in the UK. If we want manufacturing jobs then we have to be innovative and produce something the others aren't doing.....yet. We have to keep inventing and keep on doing so as our ideas will soon be copied by others. We have to keep evolving and stay ahead of the game.

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  2. NAO are producing a report "within weeks" detailing the problem of revenue-sharing numbers used by government departments.

    HMRC are moving all 0845 and 0870 numbers over to 0300 and 0345 numbers by the end of Summer 2013.

    BIS will publish details of legislation implementing the provisions of the Consumer Rights Directive in the Autumn.

    Ofcom will produce the final implementation details for the "unbundled tariff" in the Autumn.

    DWP will have to declare a 2p/min Service Charge if they continue using 0845 numbers.

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  3. The NAO report was published yesterday.

    http://www.nao.org.uk/press-releases/charges-for-customer-telephone-lines-2/

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    1. In the Public Accounts Committee enquiry on September 2nd, DWP rolled over and have agreed to swap from 0845 to 03 numbers.

      http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=13737&player=windowsmedia
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/house-of-commons-23934512

      http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/public-accounts/PAC%2002%2009%202013.pdf
      http://labourlist.org/2013/09/government-u-turn-on-rip-off-rate-phone-lines/

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2409454/Thats-long-time-wait-Stressed-Britons-spent-total-76-centuries-hold-Government-phone-lines-year.html
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/10282099/Departments-to-be-banned-from-forcing-people-to-contact-them-on-premium-rate-phone-lines.html

      In the same meeting, the Cabinet Office committed to formulating policy for government and public services "within 6 to 8 weeks".

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  4. so why dwp STILL using 0845 then if the switch was months ago

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    1. DWP swapped most of their 0845 lines over to new 0345 numbers on 17 March 2014.

      This followed their verbal commitment to make the move made at the Public Accounts Committee enquiry in September 2013 and their press release issued at the end of January 2014 confirming the move would take place in March 2014.

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  5. WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY??????

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  6. The changes to call charges for 084, 087, 09 and 118 numbers will finally come into effect on 1 July 2015.

    On the same date, calls to 080 numbers will become free from all mobile phones.

    Ofcom's "UK Calling" website has the details of "Clear Call Rates for Everyone".

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